You got $248,000 you might be able to get it back in.

good thread, but bringing back the old turrets back because only a few players missing it isnt good.


Bringing back to balance capital fleet fights or multiaccounting is better also to bring back old nebulaes would be good. He's talking to make it optional, but only for fleetfights and multiaccounting. I know, the old weapons looked much better, but the work takes too much, because there need to recreate the models and add the option, wich can takes at least 6 months. CCp had to do better things then working to bring back old weapons.


As i sayd, if the old turrets and nebulaes comes back, it is for fleetfights and multiaccounting and nothing more.


The chance that it comes back is 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

and this thread comes a littlebit late.

you would had more chance, if you made this thread a few days before incarna relased......

why is this thread still going? the last thing anyone should be complalining about is graphics in this game. i really want to see them work on other things. the game is the most beautiful on out there, so stop complaining if they make an aesthetic decision...

seriously, i see great threads drop into oblivion, and its because people like you to push it down by crying about, some little graphic??? the new turrets look great (or in your case, should be good enough), lets not waste ccp's time here please...

I have to agree with M'nu there if they update all the ships to V3 the old turrets would look SO out of place.

"Why not" has brought a lot of problems with Eve in the past. Mostly developer resource allocation issues from my memory.

If legacy stuff doesn't require maintenance, yeah, CCP will add it. (They have done so in the past on few occasions, I think) But it does require additional resources, the major one being the legacy and premium client issues.

A game, especially an online game, has to keep evolving and everyone needs to stay on the same ground. If CCP starts to add legacy stuff, and that later it is revealed that legacy stuff will give users more framerates or whatsoever, people will start to use legacy stuff for any advantage. This is just one example of what might happen.

Meh. The old turrets looked terrible. The new ones look better.

Its never going to hapen, you will never have old turrets back. It must be obvious to you, so why you keep bumping this trollthread?

No. They're already in the process of updating the ship models as well, and I'm sure the different art styles will start to mesh better as that progresses more. I will admit however, that some of the new lasers are borkus. LASERS DON"T HAVE RECOIL. The barrel should move when fired!

New turrnentts are much better than old ones.
No reason why ccp should waste their time listening to a single lunatic.

Stop whining and gtfo.

Delete this thread please.

Also: really good troll m8 8.5/10.

yes, hoenstly, the only probelm i ahve with new nebulare is that on a 1920*1080 it looks horrible, doesnt look like there si SPACE out there, looks like a skybox....

While I am neither an artist nor a producer, a lot of work might be involved maintaining several sets of turrets or assets in general. Then the question arises if the precious developer time should be invested in maintaining a large pool of average assets or to have a smaller, but still sizable set of assets which are kept at high quality and improved while technology advances. Resources are always limited. Think for example at tesselation in EVE as described in this devblog and shown here. Or think about new missile launchers and effects.

While I am neither an artist nor a producer, a lot of work might be involved maintaining several sets of turrets or assets in general. Then the question arises if the precious developer time should be invested in maintaining a large pool of average assets or to have a smaller, but still sizable set of assets which are kept at high quality and improved while technology advances. Resources are always limited. Think for example at tesselation in EVE as described in this devblog and shown here. Or think about new missile launchers and effects.

I've watched EVE's graphics change over 8 years and thus far there isn't anything I would put back to the way it used to be.

And, as Phantom said, it would be a lot of extra work to include and maintain old assets. It would also drive up the hard drive space needed by the client significantly, which would make those of us who aren't interested in the old models and effects have to deal with less hard drive space.

No, the simple reality is, it's not going to happen. EVE is an MMO and it evolves, which means inevitably, some people will always be left unhappy. Adapt, or move on.

No.

I've watched EVE's graphics change over 8 years and thus far there isn't anything I would put back to the way it used to be.

And, as Phantom said, it would be a lot of extra work to include and maintain old assets. It would also drive up the hard drive space needed by the client significantly, which would make those of us who aren't interested in the old models and effects have to deal with less hard drive space.

No, the simple reality is, it's not going to happen. EVE is an MMO and it evolves, which means inevitably, some people will always be left unhappy. Adapt, or move on.

Gustav. May I have a word with you?

1. There is no reason to add old turret models back. At the most maybe remodel some new turrets.
2. Stop saying "weapontowers".
3. My god, just let the thread DIE already. Nobody else wants it, and CCP won't listen to one person. Ever.
4. Learn english grammar, and stop using the other kinds of grammar when speaking english.

Since this is already back at the top again...

Gustav... [almost] no one agrees with you here. You have no rational argument for wanting content/artwork that will ultimately just create more headaches and work for CCP in the long run. Just let it go and accept it for what it is.

If you are referring to Phantom's post... he stated that would probably take too much work to maintain two different sets of content at the same time. Here... I'll quote it for it...


Gustav... after 7 pages... many months... many other players disagreeing with you... and a GM saying it probably isn't going to happen... I ask you...

What is it going to take for you to drop this?

Bumping your thread because NO ONE ELSE wants to talk about it just tells CCP that no one else cares about this.

I like the new turrets. Leave them alone.

Gustav, I don't know how long you've been playing this game, but back in the Trinity Expansion, they did have old artwork etc, and then they took it out. You know why? Because CCP is focusing on the future. If they kept everything in this game for all players, even you, to enjoy, they wouldn't be able to focus on the future, the game would stagnate, and eventually dry up and die.

I know you probably don't understand english very well. So I'll say this as easy english as possible, for you.

It's never going to happen.

Bumping extremely old threads that ALREADY have CCP's answer in it, and hundreds of negative votes is not really smart.
If the majority of players in this game don't want it, do you really think CCP will change it?

Do you think they'll change it just for you?

Trying to change CCP's mind about an entire game, regardless of what the other players want, or CCP want, is just selfish. you realise bumping this thread over and over despite being told it wont happen is the epitome of selfishness?

I admire your courage to keep bumping, and your commitment to it, but really man, I don't think it's going to happen.

The answer is and will always be no.

Give it up.

no not happing EVER

new turets are great some could be bigger
new missile efects are amazing but maybe the could put that old flare efect on the new ones so we could see our missiiles while zoomed out as it is u cant see them from far also the new sounds for them are **** need to be louder and deeper i want to **** my pants when being hit with them not annoyed!!
old invintory is GONE as in NEVER coming back new UI is ok will be great once its fixed
old nebula are GONE ase in DELETED and NEW ones are AMAZING dont know wtf is wrong with you


GET OVER IT!

I respectfully beg to differ.

bump, wont stop it, until they comes back

This thread needs to be humanely locked.

I like a lot of the new changes, but I want the old strip miner sound back. Also I might just be using the wrong weapons, but I can't seem to find the railguns that sound like a giant pneumatic stapler. Those were the best!

Dude just because you want the old stuff doesn't mean everybody else. Its not going to happen, give up.

Although some of the old missile effects were better, but I'm getting used to the new ones myself. Suggest you do the same :)

you want the game and all it's community to freeze in it's tracks just because your mind is so old blocked that can't accept any kind of development.

that's extremely selfish and closed minded. if that's also how you run your life then you are worthy of nothing but pity.

You are the most annoying troll on this forum. They WILL NOT!!!!! change it back, give up already.

CCP, please close this thread

I think its time we request a lock.

*sneaks into this thread... checks for LSD use... considerers insanity may be the source of the OP's mindset... Sets detonators into Ultra C-1400 Nano Explosives and places them strategically around the thread base and center columns with the help of several cousins in the Bush family*

KER-BOOM!!!!! ...Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiikk!!!! oh the humanity!!!!

*leaves thread in high speed get-away car*

I recommend that you mail a CCP dev directly to continue this discussion. Given how long this thread has been here, that is your best bet to get features you want to see implemented into the game.

But, surprise, surprise, GMs talk to Devs sometimes.

And if CCP Spitfire thinks it to be the best way, maybe you should listen to him...

If the devs have not reacted to this thread in the last gazilion weeks, what makes you think they will in the future?

Rhi

p.s.: I don't think it will ever happen, because it would be more work in the long run, supporting two sets of artwork. The old turrets are not compatible with the new models, so you would have to have the old models too, even for ships are created later, and though don't have them to begin with. You would have to test everything will all combinations of all the options etc.

It is more work and not many customers requesting it.

But you will not listen to me, or to Spitfire or to anyone else, so @Splitfire: please lock this thread and any that might happen in the future with the same topic.

Im sorry but... seriously STFU. You want outdated graphics and nebulae? They look like lowres crap? Honestly what the hel are you thinking?

These new nebulae are extremely intricate. Oh my! Its DARK OUT HERE! Its SPACE. Read the out of game comments about the design. RIDLEY FRICKEN SCOTT had some input into the games feel. From what your complaining about, you seem to want the game to be like Care-A-Lot forest with Buck Rogers laser pistols.

Its supposed to be dark. Your request puts EVE on a backwards course from its raw feel as intended.

Since the old stuff doesn't exist any longer (CCP went and cleaned up the database recently), you are now asking for extra dev time to bring back older graphic s and crap just so it can be optional and used by a few people.

The ship icons are a simple cut and paste. Doesn't have to be in game photos.


And they did delete a lot of stuff. There was a small uprising because some collectors items got hit too.
Also, if the turrets are giving your machine problems, you have bigger problems (like loading grid).

Please, stop.

This is so silly. The new effects and back grounds are stunning! I setup a POS and took this screenshot that I use as my back ground. Looks awesome.
http://i.imgur.com/XOmnP.jpg

I hope they never go back. Update the all graphics!

how can you miss the old turets, they looked like toys, now they look like weapons. I pity your single like

Not anymore... Current guns actually atttempt adapt to the color of the ships they're attached to. A feature impossible with the older dx7 tech.

Really? Stop bringing this back. its not going to happen. You are the only one that wants this. Please realize this. I am sorry that you really want it but you have to get over it. Just hope they make more changes that might possibly fit what you want.

Please tell me he also told you WHY it won't be coming back so that you will stop reviving this thread.

Can this thread now rest in peace?

Will someone delete this stupid thread already?!

Omfg it's this thread again. Is it not closed already?

lock this thread, its lame.

How could anyone not like the new nebulae? They look fantastic

And then I looked at the old turrets, and compared them to the new ones appearance-wise.

I then came to the stunning and utterly unexpected conclusion that the new turrets are in fact far more visually impressive, don't look like they're made of goddamn plastic, and actually FIT on the ships that they're supposed to be put on, given their general aesthetics! (Blaster punisher? Really? You can put lasers on it now, and it's actually good with them. Furthermore, Scorch. That is all.) Also, the fact that we have missile launcher turrets now, which is excellent, because missiles coming out of nowhere is idiotic and nonsensical.

You can miss the old content until your heart melts a path out of your chest by excreting pure black liquid sorrow, but the objective truth is that as time progresses EVE continually becomes more visually impressive. There's no point in rolling back features and making the game look like it's 2008 all over again just because one person whines about it.

As for weapon synchronization, I really don't give a damn. The damage notification still tells me that it's the group as a whole that's hitting, so nothing's detracted for me.

Please quit playing EvE. CCP made changes to the game that look great. Majority of players think so.

Your starting to sound like my son when he doesn't get his way. Were's the lock button.

"4. Old ones was changed over Constelation, new over Region - Epic fail"

100 % agree with this. 4 colours - 4 empires > it makes the game childish.

had eve ever old turretmodells, old launchers or whatever?

im absolutly for bringing back those things. I want to see, how it looked, im new to eve.

sounds like brilliant design. u do realise the NPC's are trying to kill u right? not just make u warp off.

if u cant handle level 4's, then bring a friend. or move down to level 3's, i dnt think they have scrams in level 3's

I'm sorry but I don't want old missiles back, they look epic now.

The only thing I miss is a feature that they removed with the seamless map, where all the map stars were visible over the nebulae.

I honestly do miss the old turret system, let alone the old sounds. The new laser sounds like a small frigate weapon rather than a ******* huge gun.... Quad 3500's looked badass, let alone the old artillery models. I agree some of the old turret models need to come back (rails, artillery, autocannons especially) but some of the new turret models look better. The XL energy turrets, nice! The L artillery (not 1400's)... meh... they don't really look like they're actually a big gun.

Well some work + some old turrets + THE OLD SOUNDS or better improved sounds = happy eve base. problem? Yes it takes work... but the reward is better than having people complain about it

Overall I like the new stufff. The new nebulas are more realistic and their placing in the game adds to the feeling of immersion nebulas should actually dim as you get close to them as the light fills more of the sky and you are in a smaller portion of that sky, they also do a good job of giving you a sense of geography when travelling which further adds to the feeling of immersion . Out of the recent improvements the only ones that I am not happy with are the changes to battlecruisers but hopefully they will be looked at in time.

Show me this pool of assets... on Dominix. You'll need a loupe to find LARGE turrets on it.
And new missile launchers looks terrible in the cases that I've seen myself. The ship with small rocket launchers fitted looks like an american transient coming out of 3rd class market with a bunch of paper bags in hands. VERY poor work.

Yeah most of the new nebulas are boring, and there's not enough of them

What? all five of them?

Can you people just let this thread die already.

Think about how insulting your request sounds to the team that put hours into the artwork and systems. They were tasked with taking something that was old and crappy, and making it better. The layers of sign-off and oversight means that everyone from the individual artists, 3d programmers, team leaders, managers, all the way up to the art director and beyond have looked at the body of work, and assessed it as 'a significant improvement'. As a company they are proud of the changes and think that they make Eve a better product to work with, a more competitive product against its peers, and a better game to play.

Then, every (and I mean every) modification that the dev team makes, some brainless numpty makes a post "can I turn it off" or "can I have the old one back". Its people like you, and threads like this, that cause Devs to take the opinion "no matter what we do, someone will complain - so lets stop listening to the complaints" You know that right?

If you don't like something aesthetic in the game - make a simple post that you don't like it - if you absolutely must. Do it in the test features and ideas section before it hits TQ, and IF THE DEVS DONT CHANGE IT then you can safely assume that your opinion, however valid you feel it is, is not that of the masses. Constant whining for years makes you look like a ****...

You asked "Why?" when someone asked you to let the thread die - I was just giving you a reason. Anyhow - I'm guilty here of making the thread live longer - so no more posts from me. Good luck getting Eve rolled back to 2008 - I'm sure that you'll do wonders for the subscriptions numbers by making it look worse.

yes please,i hate the new gun sounds/visuals,fitting screen and many others.autocannons have a poor visual grap,and most of the time i barely even notice they firing.

the old missiles explosion were way more violent and pleasing to watch. (torpedoes huge explosion radius effect,rockets with the bright lights etc)

the system nebulas where far better than today

the old fitting screen from 2008 i think,was the best one i ever seen in all the years of playing.

stargate sound,the visual graphics when using it.

jump drive visual (2008)


tbh the new stargate efect that game with oddysey is nice...for 2-3 times,then it becomes absolutly frutrating and theres no way to remove.

the only things i'd like to see come back would be the minimize windows to bottom of the screen. and the old item management system.

personally i find the new versions frustrating and if anything a step backwards in useabuility.

It was not feasable to support anymore, thats why they kicked the old client with a huge raise of the system requirements.

We have a lot of assets in the game now without the old models. They whould have to be created, or you would not see them anymore. They quit doing it for a reason.

Oh my, feeding the trolls again...

i personally think that expolsions from thermal and knetic missles need help they dont look as spactacular as the other two do!!!!

How do you know that? Have you access to the code base? Are you even a programmer? Have you ever worked in software engineering?

Only because a feature seems small on the outside does not say anything at all about the interaction with different parts of other code and the involved complexities.

I agree with you strongly on a number of these things. For some I accept the counter-arguments, and for some others I wasn't bothered by the change, so I'm quoting from a number of places in this thread just to see where it goes really.


I agree. They simply do. The colour-banding is really bad in a number of places. The fuzzy resolution is disappointing in some places.

It depends on which you are looking at, but yes, a number of the new nebulae are just really unappealing. They make me wonder how the artists felt they would be nice to put in the game. I wish I could list of which regions these are, but I can't.

I'm not sure I understand on this point, because black is as dark as it gets and many backgrounds contain a lot of black space, and it's no problem I thought (worth noting though that all the black is why the colour-banding is so noticeable). Ultimately a completely black background isn't too dark, which is why I don't understand what you're saying. Unless you're saying you prefer there to be much less black space.

The *ships* however, are definitely too dark since the new nebulae were introduced. At their very brightest, in full sunlight, it is still difficult to make out all the detail on a ship. That encourages eye-strain, and that's at their brightest. Most of the time, the camera is viewing a ship with even less light.

And this is coupled with the way that some parts of the nebulae in highsec are too bright. The bright whites in Amarr space, and the bright light blues in Caldari space, to point to 2 examples. I always have to turn the camera away if it points at these areas, and that's a really bad thing; the player having to rotate the camera to avoid parts of the background.


This is indeed a pain. The reasoning for it is good - it's logical, it makes your location more identifiable. But the reality is that it is very, very boring. The backgrounds are 90% of what we are seeing on screen. Players typically go hours, or days, with that never changing. We don't travel across regions as part of our regular activity since jumping through gates is not the fun part of the game. However the background of the game *should* be changing more often as part of our regular activity. This is a real issue in my opinion. The concept was nice, but the reality of it is disappointing. I honestly don't know how CCP could address this now. They're not going to ditch the new nebulae art, and it would be awkward if they changed them to per-constellation.

But without a doubt, if I had an option between the new and the old nebulae, I would definitely use the old. People like the new nebulae, ok, but I think the above points are pretty valid.

So all I can think of is to really, yes, ask them to give us the option for backgrounds.


The change in nebulae also meant a change in the lighting that was applied to all ships.

For me the worst change of all; I'd kill for them to revert this (and the ship skins that responded to it best). I stopped playing Eve for 18 months because of this. These pictures show why:

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/DanOnTheCorner/Image699.png
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/DanOnTheCorner/Image730-1.png
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/DanOnTheCorner/Image721.png
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/DanOnTheCorner/Image718.png
http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/DanOnTheCorner/Image679.png

All the same ship, just in different constellations. Every time you arrived in a different background, the appearance of your ship changed in a very cool way. Your ship looked blue in one constellation, yellow in the next, pink in the next; it was very fancy. Nowadays, even when you changeregion there is no difference in your ship's appearance, ever. Cool factor completely torn out of the game.

The Malediction, Anathema, and any other "shiny" ships were especially affected by this, as they reflected the old lighting brilliantly. The Anathema just looked the absolute boss. Black and colourful shiny silver. But even normal ships really benefitted from this; I have photos of Merlins and Thrashers that I took just because they looked cool in different systems. Now, it's not possible. When the old nebulae were taken away, so were the dynamic colours.

Since it's on topic, and related to this point, I will complain about the ships skins that used to be shiny. The Malediction and Anathema looked so good because their hulls had a metallic, shiny appearance. Now every ship that shared that shiny skin looks much worse, much less shiny. I know I'm using the word "shiny" a lot but it is that simply really. There were many ships that stood out specifically because they had this fancy, shining metal skin. Now they're all totally ruined.

And this is saying nothing of how plastic the new skins look in general, especially for the Gallente hulls. Gallente ships used to look the best, now I feel sorry for pilots of Gallente ships. So much soft rubbery plastic.

Asking they add nebulae for every constellation is not a solution. Solutions need to involve as little of the devs' time as possible, but you're asking for the complete opposite.

Regarding only the nebulae, you presented 4 problems, I added 2.

These are the solutions I think are realistic:


1. Quality
The only way to address image quality is to increase image quality.
Many players have asked for an optional downloadable higher-resolution pack.

2. Boring
The only way to address the nebulae that are visually boring is for the art team to redo them and replace them.
Even on a per-nebula basis, even if just one nebula gained traction in complaints, one new nebula means multiple new maps.
I can't see a way to address this that isn't too much to ask.

3. Too much black space.
Exactly the same response to expect as #2 above, I'm afraid.

4. Too infrequently changing.
This is a real issue for the game in my opinion.
CCP can't be asked to produce a tonne of new artwork to address this.
I believe the only realistic solution is a way for players to use the old nebulae.

5. Some parts too bright.
I would ask they rework the overly-bright parts of the offending images.
But it wouldn't be a trivial task so I imagine this is too much to ask also.

6. Ship lighting no longer changes. Ship lighting far too dark.
THIS issue CAN be addressed easily with a very appealing solution:

Ship lighting (or colouring) used to be dynamic, and changed every time the nebula/constellation changed.
Ship lighting no longer changes at all.

Solution:
Bring back the dynamic ship colour, but tie it to the star, not the constellation.
Every system has a different star. Different stars have different colours.

It's simple, it's logical, and it would be very, very nice to have the coloured lighting back again.

This would also go some way to addressing the issue of the graphics never changing inside one region, as players would now at least get to look at their ship in a different light, very frequently.

And I would hope that this also partly addresses the ships' darkness in general.

+1

also int his "old stuff eve client" bring back the old pulse sounds. srsly heavy pulse used to sound BAD ASS, now it sounds like just ass

I miss the old missile animations. The new ones are a bit meeeeh. The explosions on for example cruiser missiles were much better before. Same for the way smaller rockets fly these days. What's with that?? :s

Makes me wonder why everyone wants the Challenger catastrophe cloud back... I also cannot follow where the new nebulae are boring. They are varied, have many shapes and features and change the perspective at reasonable pace/distance. They are not even blurred, quite in contrast to the old nebula (it was only 1 single cloud) which was blurry at what ever resolution. And for the number of clouds (see before), space is mostly black and dark. We can be happy that we have that many nebulae already. More just start to make the game look childish and like fluffy ponyland.

The majority agrees that the new stuff is better.

And you may argue, "But why not make it optional?", to which the answer is obvious. It takes too much of the developer's time. I'd much rather have them working on new graphical improvements rather than giving us optional "texture packs", which are not feasible if I may add, which don't enhance the graphics overall but instead merely appease a certain demographic that can't stand change.

Because programming does not work like a word processor maybe? Because if you change something here, it breaks its dependencies over there? And that breaks something on the other side...

The new turrets and launchers are not compatible with the old ship models or the other way around. Some of the old models have the wrong number of hardpoints, or none at all. For some ships there are no old models, or the models lack certain features of the new ones, that are needed (How would you know, if the Marauder in front of you just switched to Bastion, if not for the effects?).

The new backgrounds interact with the new ship surface. So you cannot just drop the old ones in and hope it will work.

If you make all these choices optional, even if they would work, you would create a completely absurd number of test szenarios, as you would have to test each and every combination. (double the work if one option, quadruple the work for two options, eightfold for three, do i have to continue? Hint: the formula is 2^n with n the number of options)

The old turret sound effects were SO much better...


Lasers sound pathetic now, and projectiles just sound dumb.

Just make the new stuff, based on the things we liked most about the "old stuff".

According to your Ingame Bio Mannfred:

Old Turretmodels: Disagree
new ones are better and it would be too much work that could be put into something actually useful

Old nebulae: Disagree
new ones have an actual position in space, they look a lot better and more realistic, you you want the old nebulae, move to a WH

Old missileeffects: Disagree
The new ones look a lot better, infact, also too much work that could be put in something useful

Old Canflip Mechanics: Disagree
You just want to canflip all the miners without danger of being attacked by other people, risk vs. reward, killmail = greatest reward = greatest risk^^, also the whole crimewatch mechanic would need to be either removed or changed, ccp put a lot of work in it, so it is quite nicely balanced

Old Font: Disagree
The new one is better to read, period

Jukebox: Agreed
The jukebox was awesome, now i have to listen to my music via, VLC media player...more work for me xD^^

Since it's all opinions in this thread, my opinion is, that my opinions are right xD

Those old nebulaes was awesome, i want them in upgraded version back in game